Post by Admin on Dec 16, 2017 19:54:57 GMT
[BL: Impacts & ED]
Re: Hall's & Fischer's Models
Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:16 PM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
To: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Lloyd, I'm sure impacts probably did occur that caused huge changes on earth. The recent impact in Russia has some videos that show in addition to the bolide or whatever we like call it, a grounding discharge did occur as the bow wave increased in amplitude. I don't remember the video link, if you watch a few you will probably notice now that I mentioned it. Andy was probably the one who sent this around I think, you could request this from him as he will likely have this info handy.
_The probability of arc blast associated with an impact is high in my opinion, whether or not an arc blast has to have an object associated is still an interesting area of debate. I would think it depends on the amount of charging a planet or solar system builds up that determines this, the bolide could definitely, in my opinion, be the catalyst that triggers a static discharge if the charge is already built up, possibly it could also introduce it's own charge... discharging into the system. Astronomers may eventually witness an event such as this... on a smaller scale it appears to have occurred recently in Russia. I would think only field evidence could distinguish the difference between these 2 types of impacts, but if they occur together possibly they are indistinguishable.
_All the Best, Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[BL: Q to AH re Meteor Video]
Re: Field Studies of Hall's Mountains?
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:39 PM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@hotmail.com>
To: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com> "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
Cc: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Dong Choi" <dchoi@ievpc.org> "Mick Davis" <mick@iascc.org>
_Hi Andy, If you have that link to the Russian video, that shows the bolide creating a discharge to earth, please pass that link to Lloyd and the rest of us again, that was fairly spectacular...
_All the Best, Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[AH: Russian Meteor Video]
Re: Field Studies of Hall's Mountains?
Sunday, December 3, 2017 3:02 PM
From: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Dong Choi" <dchoi@ievpc.org> "Mick Davis" <mick@iascc.org>
_Hey Bruce, Here is the video. I got it from Don Kress.
Cheers, Andy
_Chelyabinsk meteor(1).mov drive.google.com/file/d/1f-PEdb_DhsLWl3NePMj3yOzMTzPAVE_Q/view?usp=drive_web
[LK: Meteor Video]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Monday, December 4, 2017 11:16 PM
From: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
To: hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net dougettinger@verizon.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Andy & Bruce. What is it in the Russian meteor video that you mean to draw our attention to? There's the bright meteor trail that curves somewhat horizontally across the sky, with a much larger bright part near the midpoint of the trail, which is apparent immediately after the blinding flash that whites out much of the sky and even the buildings. Before the bright flash there was a vertical, straight, thick, bright line that crossed the meteor trail and just in front of it was a broader, less bright, slightly sinuous, vertical line that also crossed the trail. That's from memory after viewing the video about 2 days ago.
_PS, I just sent an email to all of the EU modelers in the group, but I forgot to include a subject, so I hope no one discards it as spam.
- Good Day. Lloyd
[BL: Meteor Video]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:26 AM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
To: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
_Hi Lloyd, The bright lines that go to ground is what they are speculating to be arc connections to earth, before impact. On a much larger scale you might see how energy transfer of this type might trigger a Velikovsky style arc blast event. Could be the basis of some estimated calculations for some credible accomplished physicist. The size of the object, the impact it created, and the size of the grounding event could all be used as a basis of scaling up the phenomena. If the object is big enough and close enough, well it's a matter of speculations now isn't it? Mars is probably big enough, was it ever close enough? What about some of the other planets, think they were ever closer than they are now? That why we resort to myths, ancient artifacts, the geologic record and astronomy as some of the most likely avenues to understanding the past....
_All the Best,
Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[AH: Meteor Video Link]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:21 AM
From: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> Cc: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Lloyd, You can read my article about the video at this link: Chelyabinsk, Tunguska and Arc Blast. thedailyplasma.blog/2017/10/22/chelyabinsk-tunguska-and-arc-blast/
Thanks, Andy
[DE: Meteor Video]
RE: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:05 PM
From: "Doug Ettinger" <dougettinger@verizon.net>
To: "'lloyd kinder'" <lkindr@yahoo.com> hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no
_Hello to EU Modelers, The video indicates to me an electrical discharge between the bolide and Earth which was not part of any explosion within the bolide.
My question to everybody: Where did the excess charge come from? From interplanetary space and the solar wind; or from the ionosphere and lower atmosphere?
_Regards, Doug Ettinger
[LK: Meteor Video]
Russian Meteor Video
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:22 PM
From: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
To: hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net dougettinger@verizon.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi all. Here's the video link some of us have been discussing a little, as possible evidence for Electric Universe: drive.google.com/file/d/1f-PEdb_DhsLWl3NePMj3yOzMTzPAVE_Q/view
_I see that the thick but not bright vertical band, kind of sinuous, not straight, just to the left of the big building nearly straight ahead becomes visible from the 25 second mark till the 45 second mark, then is outshone by the huge white flash, then after the flash fades the vertical band becomes visible from the 54 second to the 1 minute mark, then it fades away. I assume that's the phenomenon that you guys consider a possible electrical effect. Is that correct? There's also a thin, bright, straight vertical line that starts earlier intersecting the brightest part of the meteor moving from left to right which disappears a few seconds after the band fades just as the brightest part of the meteor goes out of view on the right. That bright line appears to be glare on the driver's windshield. So I'm interested in what the thicker stationary vertical band could have been. It looked kind of like a vortex, except that the width didn't change from top to bottom noticeably. I didn't see it coming down to ground level.
[MF: Meteor Video]
RE: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:25 PM
From: mike@newgeology.us
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> dougettinger@verizon.net lkindr@yahoo.com
_I haven't heard about electrical discharge effects from the Chelyabinsk meteor. Were there reports? A 2016 article at www.space.com/33623-chelyabinsk-meteor-wake-up-call-for-earth.html wrote that "The asteroid was about 17 meters [56 feet] in diameter and weighed approximately 10,000 metric tons [11,000 tons]," Peter Brown, a physics professor at the University of Western Ontario in Canada, said in a statement. "It struck Earth's atmosphere at 40,000 mph [64,370 km/h] and broke apart about 12 to 15 miles [19 to 24 km] above Earth's surface. The energy of the resulting explosion exceeded 470 kilotons of TNT." Ignition would be from atmospheric friction. The video is taken from inside a car through the windshield, explaining the internal reflections in a few frames.
_Cheers, Mike Fischer
Re: Hall's & Fischer's Models
Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:16 PM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
To: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Lloyd, I'm sure impacts probably did occur that caused huge changes on earth. The recent impact in Russia has some videos that show in addition to the bolide or whatever we like call it, a grounding discharge did occur as the bow wave increased in amplitude. I don't remember the video link, if you watch a few you will probably notice now that I mentioned it. Andy was probably the one who sent this around I think, you could request this from him as he will likely have this info handy.
_The probability of arc blast associated with an impact is high in my opinion, whether or not an arc blast has to have an object associated is still an interesting area of debate. I would think it depends on the amount of charging a planet or solar system builds up that determines this, the bolide could definitely, in my opinion, be the catalyst that triggers a static discharge if the charge is already built up, possibly it could also introduce it's own charge... discharging into the system. Astronomers may eventually witness an event such as this... on a smaller scale it appears to have occurred recently in Russia. I would think only field evidence could distinguish the difference between these 2 types of impacts, but if they occur together possibly they are indistinguishable.
_All the Best, Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[BL: Q to AH re Meteor Video]
Re: Field Studies of Hall's Mountains?
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:39 PM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@hotmail.com>
To: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com> "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
Cc: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Dong Choi" <dchoi@ievpc.org> "Mick Davis" <mick@iascc.org>
_Hi Andy, If you have that link to the Russian video, that shows the bolide creating a discharge to earth, please pass that link to Lloyd and the rest of us again, that was fairly spectacular...
_All the Best, Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[AH: Russian Meteor Video]
Re: Field Studies of Hall's Mountains?
Sunday, December 3, 2017 3:02 PM
From: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Dong Choi" <dchoi@ievpc.org> "Mick Davis" <mick@iascc.org>
_Hey Bruce, Here is the video. I got it from Don Kress.
Cheers, Andy
_Chelyabinsk meteor(1).mov drive.google.com/file/d/1f-PEdb_DhsLWl3NePMj3yOzMTzPAVE_Q/view?usp=drive_web
[LK: Meteor Video]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Monday, December 4, 2017 11:16 PM
From: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
To: hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net dougettinger@verizon.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Andy & Bruce. What is it in the Russian meteor video that you mean to draw our attention to? There's the bright meteor trail that curves somewhat horizontally across the sky, with a much larger bright part near the midpoint of the trail, which is apparent immediately after the blinding flash that whites out much of the sky and even the buildings. Before the bright flash there was a vertical, straight, thick, bright line that crossed the meteor trail and just in front of it was a broader, less bright, slightly sinuous, vertical line that also crossed the trail. That's from memory after viewing the video about 2 days ago.
_PS, I just sent an email to all of the EU modelers in the group, but I forgot to include a subject, so I hope no one discards it as spam.
- Good Day. Lloyd
[BL: Meteor Video]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:26 AM
From: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org>
To: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com> "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
_Hi Lloyd, The bright lines that go to ground is what they are speculating to be arc connections to earth, before impact. On a much larger scale you might see how energy transfer of this type might trigger a Velikovsky style arc blast event. Could be the basis of some estimated calculations for some credible accomplished physicist. The size of the object, the impact it created, and the size of the grounding event could all be used as a basis of scaling up the phenomena. If the object is big enough and close enough, well it's a matter of speculations now isn't it? Mars is probably big enough, was it ever close enough? What about some of the other planets, think they were ever closer than they are now? That why we resort to myths, ancient artifacts, the geologic record and astronomy as some of the most likely avenues to understanding the past....
_All the Best,
Bruce Leybourne (IASCC)
[AH: Meteor Video Link]
Re: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:21 AM
From: "Andrew Hall" <hallad1257@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> Cc: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi Lloyd, You can read my article about the video at this link: Chelyabinsk, Tunguska and Arc Blast. thedailyplasma.blog/2017/10/22/chelyabinsk-tunguska-and-arc-blast/
Thanks, Andy
[DE: Meteor Video]
RE: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:05 PM
From: "Doug Ettinger" <dougettinger@verizon.net>
To: "'lloyd kinder'" <lkindr@yahoo.com> hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no
_Hello to EU Modelers, The video indicates to me an electrical discharge between the bolide and Earth which was not part of any explosion within the bolide.
My question to everybody: Where did the excess charge come from? From interplanetary space and the solar wind; or from the ionosphere and lower atmosphere?
_Regards, Doug Ettinger
[LK: Meteor Video]
Russian Meteor Video
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:22 PM
From: "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
To: hallad1257@gmail.com davidn@aoi.com.au jweirich@psi.edu rfarrar.lpool@virgin.net dougettinger@verizon.net donbriddell@fieldstructure.org servant@wt.net mike@newgeology.us james.maxlow@bigpond.com leybourneb@iascc.org irfantaner@hotmail.com bhatmi@hotmail.com jcasey@ievpc.org lev.maslov@cccs.edu giovanni.gregori@idasc.cnr.it louis.hissink@bigpond.com kubota@env.sc.niigata-u.ac.jp perm@must.edu.mn ninapav@mail.ru dp@davidpratt.info Karsten.storetvedt@uib.no "lloyd kinder" <lkindr@yahoo.com>
_Hi all. Here's the video link some of us have been discussing a little, as possible evidence for Electric Universe: drive.google.com/file/d/1f-PEdb_DhsLWl3NePMj3yOzMTzPAVE_Q/view
_I see that the thick but not bright vertical band, kind of sinuous, not straight, just to the left of the big building nearly straight ahead becomes visible from the 25 second mark till the 45 second mark, then is outshone by the huge white flash, then after the flash fades the vertical band becomes visible from the 54 second to the 1 minute mark, then it fades away. I assume that's the phenomenon that you guys consider a possible electrical effect. Is that correct? There's also a thin, bright, straight vertical line that starts earlier intersecting the brightest part of the meteor moving from left to right which disappears a few seconds after the band fades just as the brightest part of the meteor goes out of view on the right. That bright line appears to be glare on the driver's windshield. So I'm interested in what the thicker stationary vertical band could have been. It looked kind of like a vortex, except that the width didn't change from top to bottom noticeably. I didn't see it coming down to ground level.
[MF: Meteor Video]
RE: Sat. CNPS Discussion 6PM ET on Proofs
Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:25 PM
From: mike@newgeology.us
To: "Bruce Leybourne" <leybourneb@iascc.org> dougettinger@verizon.net lkindr@yahoo.com
_I haven't heard about electrical discharge effects from the Chelyabinsk meteor. Were there reports? A 2016 article at www.space.com/33623-chelyabinsk-meteor-wake-up-call-for-earth.html wrote that "The asteroid was about 17 meters [56 feet] in diameter and weighed approximately 10,000 metric tons [11,000 tons]," Peter Brown, a physics professor at the University of Western Ontario in Canada, said in a statement. "It struck Earth's atmosphere at 40,000 mph [64,370 km/h] and broke apart about 12 to 15 miles [19 to 24 km] above Earth's surface. The energy of the resulting explosion exceeded 470 kilotons of TNT." Ignition would be from atmospheric friction. The video is taken from inside a car through the windshield, explaining the internal reflections in a few frames.
_Cheers, Mike Fischer